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Pppery's confirmation for Bureaucrat and Administrator

Confirmation vote for MacFan4000

Be careful when importing templates

One reason the original incarnation of templatewiki failed was too many people ticking the "include all templates" option when importing thing. This tends to import far more templates than you actually want, generally without their documentation pages and sometimes things that don't really make sense here. I've already seen someone do that (MacFan4000 trying to import Template:User github, which also imported 6 other userboxes without their documentation and a mess of undocumented meta-templates that I've been trying to fix up since.

My goal when working on this wiki is to ensure that almost every template is documented where possible (and the documentation makes sense), which takes much more effort than just hitting the import button and seeing what happens. I hope people running imports strive for the same goal. Pppery (talk) 02:44, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

These templates need local documentation anyway. Some templates are also faster to just create from scratch than waste time importing. Naleksuh (talk) 02:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Confirmation vote for Reception123

Reminder to Administrators/Bureaucrats

This is a reminder that if you wish to retain your admin and/or bureaucrat rights on this wiki, you must open a request for confirmation here on the community portal within the next two weeks, otherwise your rights will be removed. (Per closure date on the RFC, the cutoff date is October 29th, a month after September 29th (when the RFC was closed)). MacFan4000 (Talk Contribs) 23:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Confirmation for Naleksuh

Confirmation vote for Agent Isai

Confirmation vote for Zppix

Disable Cargo on this wiki

It was enabled as part of the merge with old TemplateWiki and does not appear to have ever been used either there or here. This was something I was meaning to request for a while, but the security vulnerability announcement made me finally do it. Pppery (talk) 03:24, 6 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It looks like this is marked as a restricted extension; only stewards can do it. I have requested that now. Naleksuh (talk) 16:00, 7 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for autopatrolled rights (Silicona)

I have been developing lots of templates on Developers Wiki. So I request that autopatrolled rights be granted on that wiki. Silicona (talk) 13:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I personally never get why people care whether they have autopatrolled, but  Done anyway. Pppery (talk) 15:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for Comment: Delegate import rights

Importing templates can be easy, but it is for administrators only. To decrease the bureaucracy, I would like to delegate import rights to more users. All proposals in this RfC add import rights to each group outlined below. Silicona (talk) 19:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposal 1: Create importer role

Proposal 2: Delegate to autopatrolled users

Autopatrolled users will be able to import content from other wikis to this wiki.

Support

  1. Support as proposer. Silicona (talk) 19:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Abstain

Oppose

  1. Oppose as autopatrolled doesn't mean knowledgeable. A lot can go wrong if any user in that group could import. That would lead to a lot of cleaning up.  Kind regards,   Rodejong   💬 Talk ✉️ Email  📝 Edits   Auth →  21:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. Oppose Silicona, you need to learn how to interact with people on wiki in a normal way. Opening an RFC every time you think of a change is not an effective way to communicate. You've done this on Meta, and now you are doing it here. It needs to stop. What would be effective is to ask a question on the community portal first, or ask an administrator: "do you think this would be a good idea?" I'm tempted to SNOWCLOSE this RFC because it has zero chance of administrators implementing the decision, even if it somehow gets enough support votes. Import can be a very disruptive tool, and there's no way we're going to let effectively new accounts accidentally import 500 wikipedia templates by accident that we need to clean up. This is an objectively terrible idea based on our experience in running wikis. But you are making us vote on ideas that have no chance of success, just because you couldn't ask a question first. This is very rude. --Labster (talk) 21:29, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Abuse filter that throttle page creation to max 10 pages every 2 minutes could be helpful to prevent users from importing hundreds of unneeded Wikipedia templates. Or hide the "Import templates" selectbox using CSS. Silicona (talk) 07:01, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  3. Oppose Pppery (talk) 21:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments

Proposal 3: Delegate to autoconfirmed users

Autoconfirmed users will be able to import content from other wikis to this wiki.

Support

  1. Support as proposer. Silicona (talk) 19:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Abstain

Oppose

  1. Oppose Importing is very much a powertool that can easily damage the wiki if you don't do it right (i.e. clicking "include templates" and import dozens of templates from another wiki many of which will be outside this wiki's scope), so I think granting it to anyone with 10 edits and a four-day-old account is a bit much. Pppery (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. Oppose as autoconfirmed doesn't mean knowledgeable. A lot can go wrong if any user in that group could import. That would lead to a lot of cleaning up.  Kind regards,   Rodejong   💬 Talk ✉️ Email  📝 Edits   Auth →  21:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comments

Confirmation vote for Labster

I apologize for not noticing I needed a confirmation vote to be an administrator. I originally joined to import files, but I am an experienced wiki administrator and Mediawiki software developer. I have a decade as an administrator and bureaucrat on All The Tropes and I would like to continue to help users use Wikipedia templates without all of the hassle of importing 500 pages of enwiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Labster (talkcontribs)

Support (Labster)

  1. Support Even though it isn't necessary I guess.  Kind regards,   Rodejong   💬 Talk ✉️ Email  📝 Edits   Auth →  22:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. Support Per Rodejong — Hurstbergn (talk) 12:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose (Labster)

  1. Oppose It is not clear why Labster needs sysop rights to do any of the things mentioned here, especially given his limited activity on devwiki. Collei (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Abstain (Labster)

Request for copy Meta's some useful template to Dev

The meta have these useful templates:

  • Warning template
  • Wikiloves
  • Block and appear template
  • etc

These useful template should be put on Dev Wiki.

Support

Oppose

  1. Dev is rarely used. If there is a need for these templates, it is only for repository needs, and not to be used on DEV wiki.-- Kind regards,   Rodejong   💬 Talk ✉️ Email  📝 Edits   Auth →  20:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  2. This is not a useful, actionable proposal. If you want to add more templates here, feel free, as long you follow the customizing templates principles. You don't need to get consensus here first. If what you are asking is for someone else to do it for you, we're not interested. Pppery (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Pppery: There have been users who just randomly started adding warning templates to Meta. They have been blocked and banned as most were sock puppets. Policied is such a sock.
    Not sure why hurstbergn supports this, but for me these templates are a flag as they are actively been used to troll others with. So I rather don't have these wikipedia warning templates.  Kind regards,   Rodejong   💬 Talk ✉️ Email  📝 Edits   Auth →  01:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion

Policied (talk) 09:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]